Re: Using Lionel Legacy at the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour Show

[Bill Lohman <844bill@gmail.com>]

The Club TMCC Command Base is on the middle shelf of a steel (but, ungrounded) cart in close quarters with all of the other Club command control and power electronics.  By the way this cart is a really great improvement!!. It looks great!!.

 

My TMCC Command Base sits on top of the cart on a wooden board in close quarters only with the Legacy Base and Expansion Base in all but line-of-sight of the CAB-1 Controllers we were using. Certainly Lionel did testing with Legacy and TMCC Bases in close quarters but maybe not with all the other electronics so close.  Who knows.

 

My first order approximation at wild speculation tells me that it is reasonable to assume that the signal from the CAB-1's is successfully reaching my TMCC Command Base and is somehow being attenuated before it reaches the Club Command Base.

 

BUT, what we did not do --because it was late in the day and we'd already been burning our brain cells for 4 to 5 hours when we came across this situation -- is simply swap places with my TMCC Command Base and the Club's and determine the outcome.

 

That's the next logical step. Maybe we can do this on Friday evening or Saturday morning at the show. Ten minutes at the most.

 

Or just leave well enough alone until later.  Go with what works.

 

And Steve, I think it's good idea for you to bring both your Legacy and TMCC Bases.  Spares are good.

 

Like they said in Apollo 13 "Failure is not an Option."

 

Bill

 

 

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:04 PM, scott a smiley <sc.smiley@juno.com> wrote:

Actually, the TPC 3000 ( power masters) do not get signals from the hand
helds but get them via the wire to the base unit .  The Lionel ones we
used to use listened for the handhelds but not the TPC 3000.  therefore
to get these to work I would assume the base unit we are using will need
to be connected to the TPC signal line to get to all of them.  Now I see
your point.  The track 5 is a Lionel powermaster so unless Cab 2s know
how to talk to it , it may not get signals.  It still might pick up
things from there base until though since that will be wired into the
Legacy.

The wonders of new electronics.  I bet it all works.

Scott

On Sun, 15 Feb 2009 17:35:51 -0600 "Ira Schneider"
<ira_schneider@Iname.com> writes:
> We tested Bill's Lionel Legacy system yesterday and we will have it
> hooked up
> and running at the World's Greatest Hobby on Tour Show this coming
> weekend.
>
> We ran into one minor problem, and I thought of another one last
> night.  When
> the Legacy controller is powered up, our Lionel TMCC Command Base
> doesn't
> respond to any commands from the CAB-1 controllers.  However,
> Bill's
> TMCC command base works just fine.  We agreed that at the show we
> would
> use Bill's command base, if we need it.  We didn't test whether or
> not the
> PowerMaster in the auxiliary power box (used for the switching yard)
> worked
> when Legacy is active (since I hadn't thought of that possibility
> until now).
>

> It would be great if we didn't need to use the TMCC command base at
> all (at this
> show).  Bill is bringing two CAB-2 controllers.  If the other
> members attending the
> show bring their CAB-2 controllers, and let us share them for the
> weekend,
> we would not need the CAB-1 controllers, and the TMCC command base,
> at all.
> We would then be assured that we are not interering with any other
> O-gauge
> layout using TMCC on tracks 1 through 4.  Also, since Legacy uses a
> completely
> different communication frequency, we would not have any conflicts
> with engine
> numbers either.
>
> This brings up the other problem I thought of last night.  If we are
> not using the
> CAB-1 controllers, the Lionel PowerMasters, which receive their
> command signals
> directly from the CAB-1 controllers (over the air), will not work.
> This means we
> won't be able to use the track 5 transformer on the switching yard,
> and Steve
> won't be able to use his private track 6 transformer on the
> industrial sidings
> modules.  I realize these are completely independant from the TMCC
> command
> base, but, if our goal is to use only Legacy controllers to avoid
> interference with
> other layouts, we have a small problem.
>
> We can work this out at the show.  Perhaps we could still use tracks
> 5 and 6
> (and our CAB-1 controllers), since we would not be using tracks 1
> through 4
> under TMCC.  We will have to see what interference this causes.
>
> This should be a very interesting show.  We will be using Lionel
> Legacy controllers
> for the first time, and I have designed (with Ricky's suggestions)
> an L-shaped layout
> using the new 45 degree corner modules.  I hope all of you who can
> possibly attend
> will do so.
>
> I'll see you next weekend.
>
>
> Ira
>
>
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