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Re: Status of Projects for Work Event
I don't think a new trailer is needed! A project that would greatly
improve the appearance of our layout would be drapes on the inside. If
the Board is interested, I will work on an estimate of the cost. John
Bill Lohman wrote:
> It's great to see so many of you showing interest in improving the
> club. Hope this will continue. But, I agree with Ed's and Mike's
> responses in this case. Just my personal opinion. Not the board's.
> With all your enthusiasm there are lots of items on our current
> projects list that would provide immediate benefits.
> One of the biggies is --- we need a volunteer to do bridge tracks. We
> have 25 new ones that need to be done and 22 older ones that need to
> be refurbished. Just soldering skills and a good soldering iron for
> the new ones and a wire brush for the older ones.
> I'd be happy to show you how to do them as I recently did 40.
> Bill
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Michael Graziano
> <mgraziano@austin.rr.com <mailto:mgraziano@austin.rr.com>> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> The board is not currently considering a larger trailer for the
> club. However, to Scott’s point earlier, we (the board) are always
> listening to the members to gauge what they want. If there is a
> subset of the group that wants a bigger trailer, then we have to
> entertain that idea. Scott simply allowed for the next step in a
> new trailer, which is to research the cost, the need, and the
> amount of work involved in switching trailers. This exercise is a
> perfect opportunity to gauge member interest in the idea, and
> garner support for it.
>
> I’m quite certain there are better uses for club funds at this
> juncture than to upgrade the trailer again. Now if we had nothing
> to spend our money on… but we have a long list of upgrades and
> repairs needed for the layout. This last paragraph was Michael
> “the member” speaking, not Michael “the board member” speaking so
> it’s just my opinion.
>
> Best,
>
> Michael
>
> *From:* ttat-members-owner@aoot.com
> <mailto:ttat-members-owner@aoot.com>
> [mailto:ttat-members-owner@aoot.com
> <mailto:ttat-members-owner@aoot.com>] *On Behalf Of *Edward Weltens
> *Sent:* Monday, February 22, 2010 9:51 AM
>
> *To:* ttat-members@aoot.com <mailto:ttat-members@aoot.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Status of Projects for Work Event
>
> I guess I missed why are we looking into a new trailer.
>
> From before I was ever around (at least 2000) personally owned
> modules have not been stored in the club owned trailer. As Scott
> mentioned this policy would have to be changed by the Board.
>
> In my opinion, I don't consider it a good idea to carry personally
> owned custom modules in the trailer (and I would benefit from it).
> -- There is too much chance of something getting broken and bad
> feelings resulting.
> -- We would quickly outstrip our current capacity and some people
> would get left out; how do we decide whose stuff goes in and whose
> doesn't?
> -- Setup would be much more complicated getting things out of the
> way to get to what you really need.
> -- We haven't paid off the existing trailer and we aren't exactly
> swimming in extra money.
> -- The module that started this discussion will fit in a standard
> module slot and there is room for it. Steve has offered to donate
> it to the club and leave it in the trailer.
>
> I don't see the need for a new trailer unless the board changes
> the policy on personally owned modules and I would recommend
> against that.
>
> If a few members want to get together and get a separate trailer
> for personal modules that would be easier than the club providing
> space for that stuff.
>
> I think we could be much more productive upgrading modules like
> the yard tracks last weekend, creating a bridge pass-through,
> upgrading our wiring or putting better scenery on modules.
>
> Ed W.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* OLIVER COKER <oliver.coker@yahoo.com
> <mailto:oliver.coker@yahoo.com>>
> *To:* ttat-members@aoot.com <mailto:ttat-members@aoot.com>
> *Sent:* Sun, February 21, 2010 7:24:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Status of Projects for Work Event
>
> scott
>
> I see all the time traillers fo sale 18 & 20 footers
> Was not looking at price I can do some looking a round and see,
> what I can come up with. So we will have a Idell what we are
> looking at. I hope that well be OK with all..And maybe we can get
> a real good deel.
>
> oliver coker
> --- On *Sun, 2/21/10, Scott A Smiley /<sc.smiley@juno.com
> <mailto:sc.smiley@juno.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Scott A Smiley <sc.smiley@juno.com
> <mailto:sc.smiley@juno.com>>
> Subject: Re: Status of Projects for Work Event
> To: ttat-members@aoot.com <mailto:ttat-members@aoot.com>
> Date: Sunday, February 21, 2010, 5:54 PM
>
> Oliver, this is something that the board can consider. At this
> point, I would be interested in a total work plan that would
> allow us to switch trailers. That would include pricing
> alternatives of new trailers, sale value of the existing
> trailer, interior design of the new trailer, budget for the
> internal improvements required to store and hold the modules
> and other club property and a plan to finance the difference
> in cost. We spent almost $1000 in building out the interior
> and countless hours This is a big task. I know that many hours
> were spent on this aspect when the current trailer was
> purchased. Both the purchase and the design and the build out
> of the trailer. I know for my consideration of such a plan, I
> would want to see a strong team of people dedicated to
> tackling the project planning and committed to its
> implementation if approved by the board.
>
> WE currently have room in the trailer for additional standard
> or slightly wider modules so that is not the issues that some
> additional space would address. Additionally, the board would
> need to reconsider the policies as to what goes in the trailer
> to ascertain if additional space is needed in the first place.
>
> Any volunteers??
>
> Scott
>
> On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 00:19:46 -0800 (PST) OLIVER COKER
> <oliver.coker@yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=oliver.coker@yahoo.com>>
> writes:
>
> I don"t thank we have a weight problem it how much we have
> to put in it. So shold we see how much much it would cost
> for a 7x18 or 16 ?? that 2 or 4 feet would make it much
> better for all the thangs we have for all the shows.???
>
> oliver coker
>
> --- On *Fri, 2/19/10, Scott A Smiley /<sc.smiley@juno.com
> <mailto:sc.smiley@juno.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Scott A Smiley <sc.smiley@juno.com
> <mailto:sc.smiley@juno.com>>
> Subject: Re: Status of Projects for Work Event
> To: ttat-members@aoot.com <mailto:ttat-members@aoot.com>
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 10:22 PM
>
> This trailer is rated for 7000 pounds I think. That
> includes its own weight of 1700 I think it was. Most
> hitches are only good for 5000 pounds though. I do not
> think that we have a load problem. I agree that bigger
> would be harder to pull although this one pulls a
> whole lot better than the old one.
>
> WE have not paid off the purchase of this trailer yet.
> This is our third trailer as a club. 4x7, 5x12 and now
> 7x14.
>
> One thing that takes up a lot of room in the trailer
> is that we can get to most or the stuff in the trailer
> without having to remove other things. Once we clear
> the aisle of wagons, the rest is available so you can
> get just what you want.
>
> Typically individually owned and some specialty
> modules have not found a home in the trailer. Things
> happen and I prefer not to be responsible for the
> others stuff that needs special handling when we are
> trying to get set up or taken down. If the units fit
> the std. size, require about the same care as the rest
> then I see no problem being in the trailer.
>
> if we start accommodating one person's stuff in the
> trailer, then what do we say to the other members that
> have items that they would like hauled in the trailer.
> I have 7 scenery modules that get used on the layout
> routinely. There are a lot more out there that
> individuals have and bring when they can to our shows.
>
> Obviously a continuing discussion item. Members let
> your feeling known to board members so we can reflect
> the will of the members.
>
> Scott
>
> On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 14:19:32 -0800 (PST) Edward
> Weltens <ed.weltens@sbcglobal.net
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed.weltens@sbcglobal.net>>
> writes:
>
> I think it would require people to have larger
> trucks to pull a larger trailer.
>
> I don't think we ever checked this trailer's
> weight. There is a scale at a truckstop near New
> Braunfels I have used before.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* OLIVER COKER <oliver.coker@yahoo.com
> <mailto:oliver.coker@yahoo.com>>
> *To:* ttat-members@aoot.com
> <mailto:ttat-members@aoot.com>
> *Sent:* Fri, February 19, 2010 2:37:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Status of Projects for Work Event
>
> So why don"t we lok in to a larger trailer..and
> sale this one..
>
> oliver coker
>
> --- On *Fri, 2/19/10, Steve Wise /<swise@aoot.com
> <mailto:swise@aoot.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Steve Wise <swise@aoot.com
> <mailto:swise@aoot.com>>
> Subject: Re: Status of Projects for Work Event
> To: ttat-members@aoot.com
> <mailto:ttat-members@aoot.com>
> Date: Friday, February 19, 2010, 2:31 PM
>
> Are we getting close to the weight limit of
> the trailer?
>
>
>
> Bill Lohman wrote:
> > What a generous offer!
> > Trailer space seems to be an on going hot
> topic for good reason. As previously stated we
> plan to have a pow wow at the trailer on
> Saturday, with all interested parties, to
> discuss trailer space/organization for current
> and future requirements for modules like
> Steve's and the upcoming Passageway module --
> which my aching back is hoping becomes a
> reality in 2010! And trailer space for it
> seems to be the biggest issue. Again for good
> reason.
> > Maybe we should hire a NASA Capsule Design
> Consultant!! Teach us how to fit ten pounds of
> s___ in a five pound bag. Sky hooks for
> modules in zero gravity or maybe an upper deck
> like a London Bus. :-)
> > See ya' Saturday starting at 10 am.
> > Bill
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Steve Wise
> <swise@aoot.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=swise@aoot.com>
> <mailto:swise@aoot.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=swise@aoot.com>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Also, if it helps, I would definitely donate
> this module to the
> > club. Ideally, the club would want the two
> 18"x36" modules that
> > hook up to the crossover as well. Then anyone
> could add modules
> > to this siding. I have the specs on how to
> hook up to these
> > modules too (power harness specification,
> bridge track lengths,
> > etc etc). The idea when Adrian, Bob, and I
> built these modules
> > was to have club members add on to them.
> > So if the club desires it, I will donate the
> main line module and
> > the 2 modules that complete the double
> crossover. These could
> > then be kept in the trailer.
> > If there's no room or no desire, then that's
> fine.
> >
> > Steve.
> >
> >
> > rbd1949@aol.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rbd1949@aol.com>
> <mailto:rbd1949@aol.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rbd1949@aol.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ricky said that Steve's module should be
> sandwiched in between
> > the 28" modules to help protect the
> overhanging track. I have
> > said all along that the crossover module
> should be in the
> > trailer so we could use it even if Steve is
> not there. We
> > could add more sections to extend the
> switching action when
> > the r/tt is not in the setup. Maybe add a
> frieght yard or
> > Timesaver switching puzzle.
> > Rick
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott A Smiley <sc.smiley@juno.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sc.smiley@juno.com>
> > <mailto:sc.smiley@juno.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sc.smiley@juno.com>>>
> > To: ttat-members@aoot.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ttat-members@aoot.com>
> <mailto:ttat-members@aoot.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ttat-members@aoot.com>>
> > Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2010 7:17 pm
> > Subject: Re: Status of Projects for Work Event
> >
> > Before I read the rest of the responses, here
> is my take.
> > Basically, the
> > trailer is for the club modules and the
> standard member
> > modules. WE
> > designed the trailer for the std modules and
> the corners and
> > other club
> > modules. Sceniced modules that still fit into
> the standard
> > slots or
> > corner locations are OK but we know that
> anything delicate or
> > fragile
> > gets broken when in the trailer. ( Example
> Rick's bridge
> > module has been
> > broken several times) . The trolley modules
> were given to the
> > club and
> > the blanks are also the clubs and available
> for any member to
> > use, with
> > Show coordinator or set up fat controller
> approval, hopefully
> > determined
> > before the show so everyone knows what there
> is room for
> > before they pack
> > up at home. The owner of the specialty
> modules can take care
> > of them
> > better than the club can. With that said,
> There is one slot open where the 90 degree
> > corners sit
> > that could accommodate some module. Also,
> longer modules
> > might find a
> > location in front of the switch yard modules
> since they are 6'
> > themselves.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:22:53 -0600 Steve Wise
> <swise@aoot.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=swise@aoot.com>
> > <mailto:swise@aoot.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=swise@aoot.com>>
> <mailto:swise@aoot.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=swise@aoot.com>
> > <mailto:swise@aoot.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=swise@aoot.com>>>>
> writes:
> > > By the way, Ira had mentioned in the past
> that we should
> > store my > engine > yard mainline module in
> the trailer. This
> > would allow setting up > the > main line
> without me being
> > there with the rest of the modules. Is > >
> this still a
> > possibility? If so, I might bring it to the
> work day. > >
> > I'll create a box to store the special bridge
> tracks, and some
> > sort > of > protection for the crossover that
> hangs off the
> > edge slightly. If > > there's no room in the
> trailer, then
> > no biggie...just let me know.
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Steve.
> > > > > > Scott A Smiley wrote:
> > > > I like labeling the modules so we can
> write the location
> > of > specific
> > > > module son the walls of the trailer so
> everyone can see
> > how it all > goes
> > > > back in. It could really help on that part.
> > > > Scott
> > > > > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:04:29 -0600
> "Ira Schneider"
> > > > <ira_schneider@Iname.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ira_schneider@Iname.com>
> <mailto:ira_schneider@Iname.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ira_schneider@Iname.com>
> > <mailto:ira_schneider@Iname.com
> <http://us.mc1121.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ira_schneider@Iname.com>>>>
> writes:
> > > > > >> Hi Bill,
> > > >>
> > > >> There is a plastic bag in the trailer
> which contains a
> > can of > black > >> spray paint, a set
> > > >> of stencils, two carboard stencil
> holders, a roll of
> > painter's > tape, > >> and a pair of gloves
> > > >> for painting markings on the modules.
> This bag may be in
> > one of > the > >> plastic tubs
> > > >> on the shelf by the rear door.
> > > >>
> > > >> The yard modules should be marked "Y1"
> through "Y8",
> > where Y1 and > > >> Y2
> > > >> are the switching modules, Y3 through Y5
> are the ABCDE
> > modules,
> > > >> and Y6 through Y8 are the EFG) modules.
> If you have a
> > better > >> scheme, please
> > > >> use it. (Perhaps Y1 for the switch
> module with the
> > controller > >> platform, Y2 through Y4
> > > >> for the ABCDE modules, Y5 through Y7 for
> the EFG modules,
> > and Y8 > for > >> the other
> > > >> switch module. The reason I like the
> first scheme better
> > is that > it > >> allows for adding
> > > >> new ABCDE and EFG modules without
> disturbing the sequencing.)
> > > >>
> > > >> The 45 degree modules should be marked.
> I suggested
> > using H1 > >> through H4; Ricky
> > > >> suggested W1 through W4. I don't really
> care which
> > designation > is > >> used, as long as
> > > >> it is consistent. (H = half corner, W =
> wide corner).
> > > >>
> > > >> The trolley modules should be labeled T1
> through T5,
> > preferably > in > >> the order they
> > > >> are set up (i.e. lay out the trolley
> line to find out
> > which > module > >> connects where then
> > > >> mark them). The bumper modules go on the
> ends, the
> > switch module > in > >> the middle,
> > > >> and the short modules go between the
> bumper modules and
> > the > switch > >> module.
> > > >> I don't know which module is which - you
> need to align
> > them so > the > >> velcro is all
> > > >> on one side - that will tell you how
> they assemble.
> > > >>
> > > >> You could also mark the blank accessory
> modules as A1
> > through > A4.
> > > >>
> > > >> The main reason to mark the modules is
> so they can be
> > identified > in > >> the inventory list,
> > > >> which includes the individual module's
> characteristics,
> > and if a > > >> module needs to be
> > > >> repaired, we can easily identify which
> module it is by
> > its > label.
> > > >>
> > > >> Right now, the markings follow this scheme:
> > > >>
> > > >> D = ABCD module
> > > >> E = ABCE module
> > > >> X = transition module (i.e. ABCD to ABCE
> or ABCE to
> > ABCD)
> > > >> BX = bridge transition module (i.e. the
> transition
> > modules > for > >> Ed's bridge)
> > > >>
> > > >> The above proposals would add the following:
> > > >>
> > > >> Y = switching yard
> > > >> H or W = 45 degree corners
> > > >> T = trolleys
> > > >> A = accessories
> > > >>
> > > >> Having the modules labeled makes setup
> much easier.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Ira
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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